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Traveller-digest     Friday, December 31 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1614<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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RE: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
Strange Random UWP's<BR>
Re: GURPS: trav ships and their power requirements<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills<BR>
Re: Megacorps<BR>
Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
Re: Megacorps<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
Re Marines<BR>
Re: <BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:03:48 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
<BR>
Hmm. before I implement this idea, I'd like to poll the people in the Bay<BR>
Area:<BR>
<BR>
1. Do you own firearms?<BR>
Yup, and I'm very good with them >:D<BR>
<BR>
2. Are you skilled in the martial arts?<BR>
Out of practice, but I've taken down a black belt friend of mine when HE was<BR>
in practice.<BR>
<BR>
3. How fast can you run when enraged?<BR>
Amazing what an adrenaline rush'll do!!<BR>
<BR>
4. Would you hit a man with glasses?<BR>
Glasses?  What glasses?  Sorry, didn't have my contacts in...<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
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><BR>
- --<BR>
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Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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Sarchasm:  The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit<BR>
and the recipient who doesn't get it.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:13:54 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
ROFLMAMASTN!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>
[wiping tears from my eyes]  Oh damn, that was a GOOD one!! [degenerates<BR>
back to laughing, then finally straightens back out with occaisional<BR>
snickers]  Doug, that one would have about killed me.  After the recent<BR>
keyboard tallying, I've religeously been following the previously mentioned<BR>
mantra of drink, swallow, open next TML message.  If I HAD been foolish<BR>
enough to be drinking while reading, I think that would have got the<BR>
monitor, the keyboard, my speakers, and possibly dripped behind the desk to<BR>
take out the power strip, thus taking out my computer as well.  EXCELLENT<BR>
job Mr. Berry :)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
[still breaking down into snickers]<BR>
<BR>
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- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
[mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Douglas E.<BR>
Berry<BR>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 3:12 AM<BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com<BR>
Subject: RE: Gone for the holidays, and 1yr anniversary<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
At 03:58 PM 12/30/1999 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>ROFLMAO!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
BTW Jesse.. you disappear for a week, during which time a bunker in Fresno<BR>
is robbed of 200lbs of explosives.<BR>
<BR>
Jesse, cho got some 'splaining to do....<BR>
- --<BR>
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Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
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"Some days, you just can't get rid  of a bomb!"<BR>
                    -Adam West, as Batman<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:23:56 EST<BR>
From: Clifford N Linehan <cnl.rubicon@juno.com><BR>
Subject: Strange Random UWP's<BR>
<BR>
First, a happy 2000 to all.<BR>
<BR>
Second; I have been creating a spread sheet for creating a full sector at<BR>
a shot using the MT rules from the MT:Referee's Manual.<BR>
<BR>
I have noted that there are worlds created that just do not work. The<BR>
problem has been that they are all Asteroid worlds but with a Tech level<BR>
that does not allow one to live on an Asteroid. The most extreme examples<BR>
are worlds 4 and 7. Worlds 2 & 3 could, if poorly, repair and sustain<BR>
life support systems.<BR>
<BR>
Does anyone have any possible ideas as to how such a low tech could live<BR>
on an Asteroid without imported tech or being corrupped by the imports to<BR>
a higher tech?<BR>
<BR>
01) D0008BE-6 _ As Na Va Mr _ A 010 _ M9 V M2 V<BR>
02) E000855-9 _ As Na Va _ 821 _ F9 V A1 V<BR>
03) E000473-9 _ As Ni Va _ 132 _ F4 V<BR>
04) X000213-1 _ As Lo Ni Va _ 820 _ M9 V<BR>
05) D000372-7 _ As Lo Ni Va _ 042 _ F6 V G5 IV<BR>
06) E000435-7 _ As Ni Va _ 951 _ G4 V<BR>
07) X0006AC-2 _ As Na Ni Va _ 640 _ M9 V A8 VI<BR>
08) X000001-5 _ As Lo Ni Va _ 341 _ M7 IV<BR>
09) E000204-8 _ As Lo Ni Va _ 541 _ F0 V<BR>
10) E000464-6 _ As Ni Va _ 932 _ K7 V M1 V<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Clifford Linehan<BR>
cnl.rubicon@juno.com<BR>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -<BR>
Arthur C. Clarke<BR>
IMTU tc+ tm+ ?tn- ?t4- tg++ ?tt to ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt au st+ ls pi+ ta he+<BR>
kk hi as va dr so zh+ vi da sy<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:27:23 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: GURPS: trav ships and their power requirements<BR>
<BR>
On 12/31/99 at 11:10 AM,  Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>IMTU, you need to run the FTL drive for a while (about 1 High Guard<BR>
>combat round) before you actually leave normal space. If you're  trying<BR>
>to jump out of a combat situation, it's nice to have power for both the<BR>
>normal space drive and the FTL drive so you don't  become a newtonian<BR>
>target drone (and shortly thereafter, dead) in the meantime.<BR>
<BR>
Russell, I'm a heretic, so don't preach High Guard to me...I don't<BR>
worship at that altar. <g> <BR>
<BR>
I rarely deal with military ships, but of course, on *military*, and<BR>
refitted paramilitary ship, someone has probably decided that there<BR>
should be enough pwer for the weapons *and* the drives, but on a<BR>
civilian ship...maybe not.  See, civilian ships aren't *supposed* to<BR>
be in combat situations.  Now, we both know if PC's are around them<BR>
they may well be, but that doesn't mean the ships should have been<BR>
designed for the situations *PC's* get involved in.  My philosophy<BR>
is that when things become non-routine PC's should have to work to<BR>
make the ship do everything they need it to do, when they need it to<BR>
do it.<BR>
<BR>
IMTU, you have to charge up your accumulators before jumping.  While<BR>
you're doing that you don't have your jump grid running, the CG/AG's<BR>
don't have to be running at full power, the HEPlaR drive doesn't<BR>
*have* to be online, you can even "dim the lights" to conserve power<BR>
<g>, and if you want to fire weapons at the same time...then you<BR>
should have thought of that beforehand. <BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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eris@pcola.gulf.net    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:43:46 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Douglas E. Berry wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> However, "splorting has become sort of a standard salute to the reaction.<BR>
> I honestly don't wan't to actually destroy people's hardware!<BR>
<BR>
Speak for yourself!<BR>
<BR>
> the award should be a recognition of the effect that it could have had, not<BR>
> necessarily the actuall passage of coffee/soda/pizza through the nasal<BR>
> passages.<BR>
<BR>
Well, the two kills I've sustained over the years -- both at your hands,<BR>
come to think of it -- did literally involve spewing beverage up into and<BR>
out of my nose and onto my hands/lap/keyboard.  <BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:14:12 -0500<BR>
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Megacorps<BR>
<BR>
At 12:21 PM 12/31/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>On 12/31/1999 10:35, Kurt Feltenberger wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Colt's Manufacturing a "Megacorp"???<BR>
> ><BR>
> > That almost killed a keyboard I was laughing so hard!<BR>
>I agree with Kurt's sentiment, but I didn't bust a keyboard about it.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > They've lost most of the government contracts they used to have and only<BR>
> > have the M-4 contract because of some smoke and mirrors<BR>
> > legislation.  They've steadily lost market share over the years, and the<BR>
> > last time they ever were 'dominant' in the way a Megacorp would be was back<BR>
> > near the turn of the century.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Lockheed-Martin, General Electric, United Defense, now those are megacorps.<BR>
> ><BR>
>United Defense? Perhaps you mean United Technologies. That's definitely a<BR>
>megacorp. So would General Motors and Ford. What about ExxonMobil (these<BR>
>corporate giants JUST merged), BP/Amoco?<BR>
<BR>
A-yup!  That's the one!  ;-) Thanks for the save!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Any input from the European and Asian sectors?<BR>
<BR>
Samsung, Daewoo, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and <BR>
most likely many more.<BR>
<BR>
Kurt Feltenberger<BR>
kurt@blazenet.net<BR>
Morrow Project Campaign http://www.sol-3.net<BR>
WT-L Support Pages http://www.sol-3.net/wt-l<BR>
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"To our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations,<BR>
      may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong!"<BR>
~Stephen Decatur<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:17:26 -0500<BR>
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: OT Gunbunny notice<BR>
<BR>
At 12:23 PM 12/31/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>On 12/31/1999 12:07, Sethkimmel@aol.com wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > In a message dated 12/31/99 7:41:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,<BR>
> > kurt@blazenet.net writes:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > << Cheaper and much higher quality in the case of the 1911 series.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Ol' Sam Colt would be spinning in his grave if he knew what that Iraqi<BR>
> > weasel was doing with his company.<BR>
<BR>
<<SNIP>><BR>
<BR>
>OK, who's this IRAQI guy who supposedly owns Colt? Please fill us in on this<BR>
>one and how he got away with buying the company.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Here is the general gist of what is going on.  This article was written a <BR>
couple months ago, when Colt's became the Poster Company for HCI.<BR>
<BR>
>From:http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb618060&MyNum=93<BR>
>9337923&P<BR>
>What Colt Is Really UpTo<BR>
>Colt Manufacturing, Inc., plagued by vendor-creditors and<BR>
>double-digit lawsuits, including those from several major<BR>
>US cities, is working busily behind the scenes to stiff vendors<BR>
>and the cities, along with their own union employees. Colt<BR>
>has long wanted to move out of their antiquated factory in<BR>
>West Hartford, which has been plagued with union problems<BR>
>since the early '90s. CMI (Colt Manufacturing, Inc.) is owned<BR>
>by New York banker, Donald Zilkha, who still maintains his<BR>
>Iraqi citizenship. Unfortunately, while Mr. Zilkha owns CMI,<BR>
>he *does not* own the name "Colt". That belongs to the<BR>
>State of Connecticut. The State gained ownership of<BR>
>the name when the companies previous owners went<BR>
>bankrupt in 1994 owing the State of Connecticut pension<BR>
>fund $11,000,000.<BR>
>Zilkha's arrangement with the State required him to keep<BR>
>the ailing company in Connecticut for ten years, which<BR>
>included the manufacturing of any gun that had ever been<BR>
>produced in that factory....or pay the State $11,000,000<BR>
>they lost in the previous bankruptcy. Apparently Zilkha<BR>
>has come up with an exit strategy that will allow him to<BR>
>both move the company's manufacturing to friendlier,<BR>
>non-union, ground and leave the companies creditors<BR>
>sucking wind. Zilkha is now negotiating with the State<BR>
>to finally buy the name "Colt".<BR>
>The plan calls for a breakup of the existing company into<BR>
>four separate legal entities. The majority of the Colt pistol<BR>
>line will be eliminated and the remaining models, including<BR>
>their popular single action revolvers, Pocket 9, Pony,<BR>
>Defender and the new Officer's carry will be moved to a<BR>
>new company, "Colt Classics", in Springfield, Mass.<BR>
>This will serve as their "custom shop", as well as handling<BR>
>consumer gun sales. No need to run out panic buying a<BR>
>Colt product one of these products listed above is what<BR>
>you're interested in.<BR>
>Colt's military weapons, the M4 carbine and the M16, will<BR>
>be moved to another Colt Holdings owned company,<BR>
>SACO Defense in Maine. They will undoubtedly continue<BR>
>the production of the AR15 as well, but it will most likely<BR>
>be sold through the "Custom Shop"...no doubt at a higher<BR>
>price.<BR>
>CMI, the current corporation, with all it's outstanding debts<BR>
>to vendors, along with it's many lawsuits, and union contracts<BR>
>will file for protection under Federal Bankruptcy statutes<BR>
>and the factory in West Hartford will be closed, leaving the<BR>
>many creditors and the 780 employees out in the cold.<BR>
>Colt headquarters and it's executives, under yet another<BR>
>corporate veil (iColt), will move to a location near Washington<BR>
>D.C. to focus on their lobbying efforts which include more<BR>
>sweetheart military contracts and government grants for<BR>
>developing their much touted but non-existent "Smart Gun".<BR>
>Zilkha has been lobbying Democratic lawmakers to *give*<BR>
>the company $100,000,000 in development money for this<BR>
>white elephant. Unfortunately for Mr. Zilkha, another company<BR>
>has recently shown an NIJ panel, who previously gave<BR>
>Colt $500,000 for Smart Gun development, that they are at<BR>
>least two years ahead of Colt in the development of Smart<BR>
>Gun technology. Colt is unlikely to land their government<BR>
>windfall for Smart Gun development. Colt president, Steve<BR>
>Sliwa, speaking about the Smart Gun, has publicly stated<BR>
>that Colt has "bet the future of the company on it". Even Zilkha<BR>
>political crony, Sen. Chuck Schumer, won't be able to get this<BR>
>money out of Congress for Colt's non-existent pipe-dream.<BR>
>Numerous firings over the last few months, which included<BR>
>several long-time Colt executives and department heads,<BR>
>indicate that this move is not far off. Colt will continue<BR>
>negotiating with the cities regarding a settlement of the<BR>
>numerous lawsuits, but once Zilkha has secured the rights to<BR>
>"Colt" name from the State of Connecticut, and they complete<BR>
>their plans to divide up the profitable areas of the company,<BR>
>safe from creditors, the cities will find that Mr. Zilkha has left<BR>
>them holding an empty bag. The other gun companies being<BR>
>sued will surely be the loser in this battle. The ultimate loser<BR>
>will be the American gun owner.<BR>
>There is everything in this story for a good novel. A rich<BR>
>Iraqi oilman/banker, attempting to control 85% of the world's arms market!<BR>
>Yup...one of those stories that's just too wild to be believable, but that's<BR>
>what's happening.<BR>
>Zilkha has already purchased SACO Defence. He tried,<BR>
>unsuccessfully to buy Remington. He's tried twice, unsuccessfully,<BR>
>to buy Fabrique National (which also owns Browning and<BR>
>Winchester). He recently tried, unsuccessfully, to purchase<BR>
>Vektor Arms, the largest military arms producer on the African<BR>
>continent. He's still trying to purchase Heckler & Koch, but I<BR>
>believe he'll fail in that attempt (and if you're interested let me<BR>
>know and I'll tell you why). He's also trying to buy S&W, which<BR>
>is also up for sale. He told me, personally, that he planned to<BR>
>control 85% of the world's arms market (with the rest being<BR>
>controlled by the Eastern Bloc and China). Fortunately, I have<BR>
>personal relationships with many of these companies and I<BR>
>know that he won't be successful.<BR>
>But let your mind run wild with the possibilities of one man<BR>
>controlling all those assets. And remember that he's the<BR>
>one negotiating with the cities and the FEDS right now.<BR>
>He also depends on his military contracts with the Federal<BR>
>government for 90% of Colt's income. Would he be in a position<BR>
>to single-handedly negotiate away our rights in return for<BR>
>exclusive rights to military contracts? You bet. He's proven<BR>
>that he can do it with the M4 contract. Colt managed to get<BR>
>around the law and got an exclusive contract for the M4...with<BR>
>no competitive bidding! What's an M4?...an M16 with another<BR>
>name, of course. Why? Because Fabrique National *won* the<BR>
>M16 contract for the Army through the conventional competitive<BR>
>bidding procedure. This left Colt out in the cold. Again, the<BR>
>M16 has been 90% of Colt's business for years. So, almost<BR>
>like magic, a plan is developed to get around FN's legitimate<BR>
>contract. They simply call the gun by a different name, create<BR>
>a new "requirement" for this gun, and give Colt an exclusive<BR>
>no-bid contract for it...for more money than FN charges the Army<BR>
>for the M16! Now imagine if Zilkha is already this powerful,<BR>
>what would happen if he also owned FN? And H&K? And<BR>
>Vektor? And S&W?<BR>
>Did I mention that Zilkha's a financial supporter (and personal<BR>
>friend) of both Chuckie Schumer and Frank Lautenberg?<BR>
>Imagine which way Zilkha leans on civilian ownership of<BR>
>firearms.<BR>
>As for iColt and the "Smart Gun", it looks like Steve Sliwa<BR>
>will ignore my advice, and my promise. Over a cold beer<BR>
>I warned this "rocket scientist" that a gun that operated on<BR>
>radio frequency was a bone-head idea. I asked him if he<BR>
>ever had trouble with reception with his cell phone (DUH!).<BR>
>I told him that this was such a stupid concept that if he<BR>
>actually built an RF controlled handgun that I promised<BR>
>him that I'd develop an RF jammer the size of the average<BR>
>garage door opener that would be capable of jamming<BR>
>Smart Guns for a six square block area. Imagine a bank<BR>
>robbery going down, the cops show up, but none of their<BR>
>Smart guns will fire :-) Well, it looks like Mr. Sliwa didn't<BR>
>take me seriously. Guess he didn't get to know me well<BR>
>enough. Very shortly I'll announce the formation of "noColt"<BR>
>to produce our RF jammer. This product will be marketed<BR>
>as a personal protection device. You never know when<BR>
>you'll find a criminal with a Smart Gun and you may need<BR>
>to disarm him, right?:-)<BR>
>The announcement of "noColt" and the "SmartJammer"<BR>
>should probably throw a stick in the spokes of Sliwa's<BR>
>venture capital raising efforts on behalf of iColt. We can<BR>
>only hope so. The Smart Gun is the silver bullet that the<BR>
>anti-gun movement and the ATF is begging for. Just for<BR>
>a moment imagine a radio controlled gun, or thousands<BR>
>of them, that could be disabled by satellite generated<BR>
>signal with the push of a button in Washington DC. They<BR>
>won't have to come to your house to take you gun away...<BR>
>you can keep it. It just won't work anymore. To wild to<BR>
>happen? Just ask yourself...if they *could* do this, would<BR>
>they? The technology is certainly there.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Kurt Feltenberger<BR>
kurt@blazenet.net<BR>
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      may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong!"<BR>
~Stephen Decatur<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:28:14 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Megacorps<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Douglas E. Berry <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 11:31 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Megacorps<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> At 12:21 PM 12/31/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> >United Defense? Perhaps you mean United Technologies. That's definitely a<BR>
> >megacorp. So would General Motors and Ford. What about ExxonMobil (these<BR>
> >corporate giants JUST merged), BP/Amoco?<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Any input from the European and Asian sectors?<BR>
><BR>
> There used to be (i can't find any sign of it now) a megacorp named<BR>
> Beatrice.  For a time it appeared that either controlled or influenced<BR>
> every single food corporation in North America.<BR>
<BR>
That's the one that owns both Coke and Pepsil, isn't it ?<BR>
<BR>
Last I heard it had an "appropriate" name, like Universal Foodstuffs or<BR>
something.<BR>
<BR>
I'd say Rupert Murdoch's little empire couild be considered a megacorp.<BR>
If you could say one man almost controlled the world's media, that's Murdoch<BR>
<BR>
The only reason he doesn't own the rest of it is the deep enmity between him<BR>
and Ted Turner(?), who has steadfastly refiused to sell to Murdoch, even<BR>
though he's making a loss doing so.<BR>
<BR>
Hasbro/Mattel seems to be getting that way when it comes toys and games.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:57:03 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>Hans Rancke wrote:<BR>
>> We're getting beyond my extremely limited knowledge of taxonomy, but I<BR>
>> would have thought that two species would HAVE to be of the same genus<BR>
>> in order to produce even sterile offspring. Isn't that sort of implied<BR>
>> by the taxonomic system?<BR>
><BR>
>That's the point. If humans and chimps are interbreedable, then we've<BR>
>misclassified, and either Pan trogolydytes (IIRC) should be Homo Pan,<BR>
>or we should be Pan sapiens.<BR>
<BR>
I thought chips were Pan Pan...<BR>
<BR>
>The book _The Third Chimpanzee_ by Jared Diamond is about exactly<BR>
>this. The second chimpanzee is, IIRC, the Bonobo, who along with<BR>
>Aslan and man is remarkable (if not unique) for having developed<BR>
>recreational homosexuality.<BR>
><BR>
>*waits for everyone to finish parsing that, grins, ducks, and runs*<BR>
<BR>
Humans and Banoboes are the only species I've heard of where promiscuous<BR>
sexual activity is common amongst adults, but where adults who engage in<BR>
sexual activity with undearage individuals are driven from the group.<BR>
(There was a journal article about this Ca 87 to 90, don't remember which<BR>
journal, though; assigned read for Intro to Anth). But all of the Pan genus<BR>
show the same Step-dad-infanticide/abuse pattern so common in humans (H<BR>
Sapiens). As for the aslan, there is no Canonical reference to Recreational<BR>
Homosexuality... But dominance homosexuality is common in dogs, so I expect<BR>
it to be common in Vargr.  Much the same way it was practiced in Greek<BR>
societies... (It's ok to be the penetrator... just not the penetratee...)<BR>
Thus every Vargr Male wants to be "Top Dog"!<BR>
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Oh, BTW, Hyena Females use that False Penis in dominance behaviors. Wait a<BR>
minute: Aslan are Anchient Hyena-Lion Hybrids!!!!! <GDR><BR>
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>Remind me tell y'all about lesbian sheep sometime.<BR>
><BR>
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<BR>
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interface!"<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 13:07:08 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Old laws/weird legal systems<BR>
<BR>
> A couple of real world examples:<BR>
<BR>
Here's a couple from New Zealand.<BR>
<BR>
Up until 1982(?), when Marilyn Waring pushed a bill thru parliament known by<BR>
the slightly misleading title of "the Homosexual Law Reform Bill", it was<BR>
technically illegal in New Zealand for anyone to indulge in several commmon<BR>
sexual acts, including masturbation, fellatio & cunnilingus. The bill, as<BR>
per it's title, also repealed laws regarding sex between consenting males.<BR>
(From memory, there were no laws against sex between consenting females, as<BR>
long as they didn't indulge in any of the previously listed acts )<BR>
<BR>
The police had not attempted to prosecute under these laws for many years,<BR>
using other laws (such as "indecent exposure" to prosecute those who<BR>
insisted on scaring the horses, but they were there.<BR>
<BR>
I believe (from reading old Penthouse magazines) there are still similar<BR>
laws in various parts of the United States.<BR>
<BR>
Here's a fun one though (at the risk of starting more arguments on gun<BR>
control) .<BR>
<BR>
Up until 1992, the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, had a municipal<BR>
ordinance explicitly forbidding the shooting of rabbits and other game from<BR>
"municipal omnibuses" passing through Hagley Park (a large park in the<BR>
centre of the city, similar to Central Park for those who are familiar with<BR>
this)<BR>
<BR>
This caused certain people to speculate that it was therefore theoetically<BR>
legal to shoot game from municipal omnibusess that were _not_ passing<BR>
through Hagley Park. Unfortunately, this would now come under New<BR>
Zealand-wide firearms laws regulating the discharging of firearms in public<BR>
places, so no-one tried it out.<BR>
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> Back in Victorian times, a man who was likely going to lose a civil<BR>
> suit noted that trial by combat was technically still legal. So he sent<BR>
> proper notification to the court and the other party in the suit.<BR>
><BR>
> He showed up, in armor, at the appointed place and time and<BR>
> (apparently) so did an officer of the court. Since the other party had<BR>
> declined the challenge, he won the case!<BR>
><BR>
> Parliment eliminated this "loophole" next session.<BR>
><BR>
> More recently (in the last 5-10 years) a student at Oxford noted that<BR>
> the rules of the College required the College to provide "ale and<BR>
> cakes" for the "young gentlemen" sitting examinations. So, next exam<BR>
> time, he requested the "ale and cakes" pointing to the regulation.<BR>
> After a bit of discussing, it was decided that some burgers and a pint<BR>
> (or some such) were an acceptable modern equivalent. And they presented<BR>
> them to him, and he happily muched and sipped his way thru his exams.<BR>
><BR>
> Alas, after completing them, he was presented with notice that he was<BR>
> being fines 25 pounds for failing to wear his sword to the exams (also<BR>
> in the old regulations). :-)<BR>
><BR>
> The moral is that when invoking old rules, be prepared to have other<BR>
> old ones invoked against you.<BR>
><BR>
> Feel free to chose some current laws that might still be on the books<BR>
> in 1100 Imp.<BR>
><BR>
> Another thought is that back when planets were first contacted and<BR>
> brought into the Imperium, some of the (then) low TL worlds may have<BR>
> had some *very* odd legal systems. Ones that may have become "frozen"<BR>
> when they joined.<BR>
><BR>
> This leads to things like players having a legal dispute on such a<BR>
> world and being asked if they intend to fight themselves or hire a<BR>
> "Gladiator at Law".<BR>
><BR>
> Yep, a world where trial by combat is still the rule, but where it's<BR>
> also been "modernized".<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> "You have the right to trail by ordeal. If you decline ordeal, you are<BR>
>  subject to trial by combat. If you are not fit to fight and cannot<BR>
>  afford a champion, one will be appointed for you..."<BR>
><BR>
> If any of you use that bit in a "miranda Warning", I want to hear<BR>
> about the player's reaction!<BR>
><BR>
> Heck, anybody got a copy of the *real* Miranda warning? Let's see what<BR>
> we can do with it!<BR>
><BR>
> Check your history books for other methods of of rendering judgement.<BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:08:23 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Marines<BR>
<BR>
>>Doug, this does not seem to follow the way Traveller was going.<BR>
>>As you'll see below, it is only supported by CT (but higher education<BR>
>>did not appear until Book 5 and Marines are in Book 4) and T4 (this<BR>
>>might be an error. ;-)<BR>
><BR>
>While I appreciate this, I wasn't hired to transcribe CT.  I'm remaining<BR>
>faithful to what has gone before, while incorporating things from history<BR>
>that in my opinion, make the Marines more interesting.<BR>
><BR>
Some of us disagree with the faithful part... But you the one with the deal<BR>
in place. Then again, you've had to pick and choose from contradictory<BR>
source matierials... IMTU I've made some VASTLY different choices. Choices<BR>
which don't seem to be anyhwere close to the direction GT is taking. (And<BR>
Doug, while I disagree with your choices, I respect that you've been<BR>
consistant in your methods From what I've seen, and respect that.)<BR>
<BR>
I agree about the "rise through the ranks" officers generally being<BR>
better... But IMTU, the marines can use EITHER the Military Acadamy OR the<BR>
Naval Acadamy, but marine pilots have to have gone to the Naval Acadamy.<BR>
Then again, not all the marines IMTU have worn Battle Dress... They do get<BR>
VaccSuit-0, tho'. And I'm considering using the option on first Spl Duty to<BR>
allow Battle Suit-1 & Drop Ops -1, and then further SD's may choose either<BR>
one (In lieu of the normal rolls in Basic MT CGen).<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:17:19 -0500<BR>
From: "Eric Freitas" <ericfrei@gte.net><BR>
Subject: Re: <BR>
<BR>
I once wrote a RIP enabled terminal program for the Amiga.  This was a long<BR>
time<BR>
ago though.  Now I use a PII-233 dual processor machine and dual boot<BR>
between<BR>
BeOS and Win98.<BR>
<BR>
Eric<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Jory Earl <j-man@iname.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Monday, December 27, 1999 5:53 PM<BR>
Subject: Re:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I tried Ripterm once, I was still using a 286 at the time and thought<BR>
>Ripterm sucked.  (I was already set in my ways using the DOS version of<BR>
>Telemate)<BR>
>___________________________________________________________<BR>
> J-Man<BR>
> ICQ# 2843475<BR>
> New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
> Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
> Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
>___________________________________________________________<BR>
><BR>
>----- Original Message -----<BR>
>From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
>To: <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
>Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 5:31 PM<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>> For the non-initiated, various RipTerm boards allowed several methods of<BR>
>> operation, including: DL Graphics on demand; "Front-End Files" which<BR>
>simply<BR>
>> downloaded specific content into a locally cahced front-end; and Front<BR>
End<BR>
>> with auto-update on connect. One BBS I dealt with only supported the<BR>
>second<BR>
>> mode; you had to download the RT front-end files in order to get any RIP<BR>
>> materials. A few others only did Graphics on Demand, and so RIP<BR>
connection<BR>
>> was slow! The graphics files themselves were compact vector images.<BR>
>> RipScript was a combined RIP Graphics and Ansi Text media for delivery of<BR>
>> content. The result was comparable  to HTML, but somewhat smoother.<BR>
>> However, it didn't support the range of file-types that HTML did.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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